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So it’s pretty well known that I’m not a fan of abortion and especially not a fan of Planned Parenthood. Not because I think the murder of the innocent is wrong or that women don’t have the right to their own bodies, but mainly because…I find so little honor in how it’s done. Three people involved, but only one is given absolute say over the lives of all three, simply because of their gender.
You know, I was under the impression that giving someone special powers and privileges based solely on their sex/gender was sexist, and that sexism was a bad thing that should never be allowed. But there I go, probably misunderstanding the mortals again.
So when I come across this on Facebook, well…
Well, I just had to say something.
“Actually, a more accurate version would be: The intent here is to destroy planned parenthood, not just because we do particular services, but because we are a champion of one of the most radical ideas in history — that humanity’s evolution can be guided by science and that we should all seek the improvement of the human genome via planned parenthood and the removal of “defective” genes.
I mean, if we want to be historically accurate about the founder of PP’s intentions.”
See, the thing most people don’t know is that Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was a Eugenicist. Since this is a thing not talked about much, eugenics was an idea that humanity could make itself a superior species to its present existence, via the use of selective breeding. At least when it started. We can all thank people’s misunderstanding of Darwinian evolution for this one.
If you have heard of this practice, it’s probably because of the Nazis. The Nazis were pretty big believers in Eugenics, and felt (naturally) that they were already a superior stock who could be made even more superior via the practice of Eugenics. Of course, there’s a few things that need to happen along with making the “superman” and that is, of course, removing the “undermen.” The Nazis decided to do this with concentration camps and mass murder.
After all, it’s a lot easier to breed better people, if the lesser people aren’t taking up the resources, trying to destroy their superiors, or offering physically attractive but genetically inferior options for matting that would cause the “superior” to waste their genes on mediocrity.
But Eugenics was a pretty wide spread ideology back in its heyday, and it included people like Sanger. In fact, the entire reason she founded Planned Parenthood was…Eugenics. But where Hitler was rounding up people and putting them into camps, Sanger had a much simpler approach. After all, why spend all the resources of building and staffing camps, when you can simply get people to come to you and kill their race with a doctor and a nurse? Doubt it was that way, well here’s a few gems from her:
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
“…human weeds,’ ‘reckless breeders,’ ‘spawning… human beings who never should have been born.” Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor peopleOn sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial “purification,” couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her “Plan for Peace.” Birth Control Review, April 1932On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was “to create a race of thoroughbreds,” she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)
You can read more in the link.
Needless to say though…this is someone who is regarded as a great humanitarian and whose organization, to this day, is defended from all attacks and held up as a paragon of morality, equality, and goodness in our world.
So, we have two people, driven by the same ideology, engaging in much the same actions, with the same goal, and…one of them is the greatest villain in history, and one is regarded as a hero to women everywhere.
What’s the take away from all this? Is it that Planned Parenthood should be outed, denounced, and destroyed for the vile creation of a racist that it is? Is it that “Hitler did nothing wrong?” Well, I suppose I’ll leave that up to you…but I’ll tell you what my take away is.
Give people enough stuff that they want, and they will literally forgive you of absolutely anything. Hel, they’ll even lift you up as a paragon of morality and vilify anyone who objects to you, your work, or those who carry out your work.
I’ve lost track of how many people, people who consider themselves good, moral people, step up and defend Planned Parenthood to their last proverbial last breath. Why? Because they themselves, or some woman they know, received cheap/free healthcare from PP.
That’s it. PP gave out free stuff, and decades of work under the founding and guiding of a Eugenics driven racist is completely forgiven. That’s it, that is all it took. A few pills, a couple checkups, and walla.
All is forgiven, go with God.
As someone said:
The test of a quality organization is to grow beyond its roots. Regrettably, not all good things started well. Not all things started well, continue that path.
PP’s aim to provide health benefits to women, many I have known, and no other purpose.
I don’t know what rustles my jimmies more, that this argument is considered perfectly valid, or that it is so selectively applied.
I mean, really, if anyone argued this about some “white nationalist” group…they’d get laughed out of the building, assuming they were not punched senseless. All those little Neo-Nazis running around, believing in the same things as Hitler or Sanger, they get no such free pass. But, a few pills, a turn and a cough, and…apparently Eugenics is okay, we can just move past it. It’s no big deal that Sanger was attempting to wipe out the black community of the United States, along with other immigrants and degenerates. Oh no, perfectly okay.
Sanger did nothing wrong.
And anyone who objects, well…I guess they just hate women, don’t they?
Hela Bless
Son of Hel 
“Free Stuff”
On the taxpayers dime
Very good read ✌
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I admit, I used to be one of those who would defend PP to my last breath. Then I had a miscarriage, and after a few years coming to terms with it, my own independent research, and the experience of actually meeting my unborn child’s spirit because Dionysus is as cruel as He is kind I am no longer one of those who supports PP (or abortion in general). We can’t just sit and conveniently forget the horrible things that PP and other organizations were founded on because they give us “free stuff” (not really free since it’s on the taxpayer’s dime).
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You aren’t the first polytheist I’ve heard from that has experienced Dionysus being displeased with abortion.
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Not sure why he is though. Looking at the lore the only thing I can see that would connect Him in any way with the unborn is the fact He was taken out of the womb of the dying Semele and sewn into Zeus’ thigh until He was fully formed. But it could just be a shared UPG, who knows.
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Actually, I think you hit the nail on the head. Someone tried to “abort” him by killing his mother while he was unborn, and it was only through the kindness of Zeus that he survived the abortion and lived.
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Never thought about it that way! It does make sense if you see it in that light. And once again Hera proves to be terrifying.
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There was a post by Sannion once on how some of His temples did not allow women who had had abortions recently.
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I respect that abortion probably is a necessary evil and don’t treat people against it like their position is invalid but what really confuses me is Christians such as Catholics who are against all forms of birth control, the last pope even told Africans in a country with an HIV epidemic to not use condoms because muh birth control. If you really hated abortion so much and wanted to minimize or even eliminate its use, you should be a big advocate of birth control to prevent a lot of it from happening. Catholics make anti-abortion people look really bad. Sorry you have to deal with them as your biggest advocate.
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While I am nothing close to being a Catholic, the way I understand their theology is that birth-control is just another form of abortion. They don’t draw the line like most people do, for them it starts at individual eggs and sperm. So killing those is the same as killing an unborn child. So arguing for birth control to prevent abortion wouldn’t work for them, because to their metaphysical world, birth control is abortion.
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Do you agree with that? In medical science there really are pills that can cause an abortion in early pregnancy before its advanced enough to get to the stage where you’d need surgery but they are not the same as birth control. I find their theology stupid bc if it were true then a woman having her period and shedding the egg which is what happens would be murder and that is just dumb. So would a guy masturbating though I guess they are against masturbation already.
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As you say, they’re against masturbation already. I’m…not sure about periods though. never bothered to ask.
My position, as taught to me by Hela, is more around the area of conception. Once that happens, the chain reaction starts and it would (normally) produce a child, and there is no question that a human child would be produced (you’re not going to get a wolf pup, for example). So at that point, it does become “Alive” and start gaining a soul. Anything before the combination, however, no, not really. So birth control is perfectly acceptable cause you’re not ending the life of anything so you don’t have to worry about it.
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Cool, I am a polytheist too and that’s what I think.
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Agreed. Basically the same points from Hekate and Dionysus from my UPG.
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Hm, I wonder if any Gods who are critical of abortion think that birth control is bad.
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In my experience, Dionysus doesn’t see birth control as bad. He does however object when actual conception begins.
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Interesting! Yeah I think the Christian and other monotheistic opposition to it is stupid and I don’t see why many of our Gods would be opposed to it. Christians are such hypocrites. Claiming they are against abortion but trying to get birth control banned or restricted.
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Lucius, You are wrong on so many levels here that I will have to start at the beginning. PP was founded to provide for women’s health — their TOTAL health, not just OB health. Most of this was to poor women who lived in cold water walk-ups. They didn’t have money to go to see doctors for their ills. Settlement houses and later PP were there to provide needed services to them. The first birth control agents were condoms and female barrier methods. Most males couldn’t be bothered (I’m sure you know why), so wives had to obtain something in order to control her fertility. IT IS NOT SAFE to be forever pregnant. Men do NOT give a damn. Women have to take care of themselves first. Only then can they be the best mothers. Now, I don’t want any more whining. This is NOT eugenics. Eugenics would be at the matchmaker’s office with your DNA profile.
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Sure and the National Socialists were founded to restore Germany to the German people and to drag them out of the Great Depression and avoid the complete destruction of their nation and people. The KKK was founded to….return sovereignty to the Southern Peoples and to ensure that they were not massacred by the newly freed former slaves.
You can cloak anything in good sounding words and noble motives. Does this make the reality of actions, or personal motives behind those actions and words invalid?
Yes, PP was founded to “provide needed services” to the Poor who couldn’t pay for them themselves. What were these services? Contraceptives and abortion. Provided free of charge to the poor to prevent them from having more and more children in the name of “bettering their lives.”
i.e. Exactly what Sanger and other Eugenists intended. Curb the births and existence of the poor, the immigrant, and the black. No need to round them up when you can prevent them from being born. Even better if you can get them to do it to themselves, by saying “it will improve their lives.”
It’s not “whining.” I am merely looking under the shiny gift wrap and seeing the foundation for what it is.
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Obviously you did not read the entire post. In the early years of the twentieth century and even into the 1950s there were horrible instances of forced STERILIZATION of people who were not “average” (so to speak). Nazi Germany gassed them. This is the eugenics you are railing about. This was done to the insane and the mentally deficient. This was done in our country and in Europe, including Scandinavia. BC is for family planning purposes and controlling fertility. It is not an eugenics tool. A woman’s body can naturally abort her own fetus if there is something wrong. This is sometimes called a miscarriage, which is a civilian way to refer to the event. (I am a retired medical librarian.) Sometimes the body does not do this and a very problematic pregnancy continues. There are horrible genetic diseases which cause the death of a new born within months along with much pain and suffering. There are also diseases that the pregnancy can cause the mother. I am an example of that. At the start of my 2nd trimester I developed severe pre-eclampsia and HELLP syndrome, which my doctors did not diagnose until the end of the tri-mester. My fetus was barely 1 lb. when she should have been 3-4 lbs. I was immediately ambulanced to the Yale Maternity ICU in the hope to save both me and my child. So, don’t you EVER preach to me about the decisions surrounding these most private things. I could have died. Seizures, bleeding-out (liver), etc. were all a real possibility. Right now I can’t remember how many days I was there when they told me they would have to do an emergency C-section. She was so small and blue; but, she lived. Two days later I was in surgery again for another 4 hours having a shredded gall bladder removed. It was finally when she was around 6 days old that I finally got to see her down in Neo-natal intensive care. She died two days later. The pain never goes away. The pain never goes away for a woman who needs a therapeutic abortion, either. So, just keep your mouth shut for once or I’ll send a vet with gelding tools.
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I did read your entire post. I just chose not to comment on the…sexist…attitude you had towards men.
Eugenics comes in two forms. 1) active eugenics which includes the murder of the degenerate and the sterilization of the degenerate. 2) passive eugenics, where you convince through various means the “degenerate” peoples to enact their own culling (for example, engaging in “birth control” where you prevent more of them from being born, or as you put it “controlling fertility”). Is all birth control eugenics, not these days, but it was tied in with eugenics and eugenics was a prime motivator in high society people funding birth control to the lower classes. Now, does birth control have some side effect which can improve the human condition? Of course! But improving the human condition was the entire goal of eugenics to start with. I am a historian, and I have studied this history.
Now, I am sorry for your tragedy and your loss. But your individual tragedy, and how birth control/etc could have averted it, does not change historical facts. I’m sorry that is the case, but that’s the nature of the universe.
Now, if you want to send a vet with gelding tools, you’re more than welcome to, because I will not be intimidated. And you will not like what follows. So can the tough talk, let not your pain guide the rudder of your wordship, and keep your wits. I believe you to be a better person than to threaten violence over things you don’t like, and I believe you do not want to see what happens if you actually start violence with me.
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I can bring out my degree in history with high honors and membership in Phi Alpha Theta, thank you very much. What I was trying to say was that PP is there to provide pregnancy care to poor women. I HAD an OB/GYN group and still things turned south. This is primary care medicine. You are reading a lot of Alt-Right bushwah and out-right lies. BTW, I am NOT PC, SJW, or ALT-Left — just common sense. You have locked your brain. This conversation goes no where.
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1) I am not reading a lot of “alt-right bushwah.” Sanger’s beliefs are documented and I read about them before the alt-right was even a thing.
2) yes PP works in poor communities, because that was the entire point! Get the Poor To Stop Breeding.
3) I have not locked my brain. Nor did I even infer that you were any of that alphabet stuff. The only thing I have said, is that people will forgive anything if you give them enough stuff and that the driving goal behind PP was to Cull The Undesirables…a goal which was fundamental to Sanger, As She Has Been Quoted In Her Own Words. words, it seems you are all to willing to ignore because they don’t fit your perspective.
4) get the idea that you have any high ground to stand on out of your head. You threatened to have me Gelded by a Vet. You threatened Violence, at which point you sacrificed any moral or philosophical footholds. You’re the one threatening violence, and ignoring facts about Sanger and about Eugenics. So go don’t go blaming me if the conversation isn’t going anywhere.
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Lucius — I accidentally hit “like.” Please write out this supposed quote by Sanger and the complete citation. You remember citations, don’t you. You are making claims here and are not backing anything up. You would rather dredge up my anger at your “deliberate ignorance,” for which I do apologize My husband is also an historian. He is almost in hysterics with your so-called “knowledge.” “Culling Undesirables.” That is what Nazi Germany did with the sterilization programmes that were in existence in other countries. How about another term that has put you on the failing side of our debate! I can see that you also have not studied logic. A person with Downs Syndrome WILL NOT reproduce only babies with Downs Syndrome. At the time this was a Paternalistic — and, yes, societally selfish thing — to protect and to cut down on births by “incompetent” mothers. It was done in Europe, as well. What IS your problem with providing poor women with health care? This is what comes through in no uncertain terms in your post. You would REALLY want women to DIE because they do not have doctors? This IS the ALT-Right!! This IS Phyllis Shafley and her ilk (?sp). Do you know that tens of thousands of fertilized ova DO NOT implant naturally? Are you personally going to try to seek each and every one of them out because you are convinced that somehow someone HAD to have done something. Idiot. You are truly insane.
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What, you mean like I did in the post where I quoted and linked? Or was that too obvious?
I never said I had a problem with the poor receiving healthcare. I said I found it HILARIOUS that people will excuse the Eugenics and Racism of PP’s founder because they get free stuff.
Do I really want thousands of women to die because they do not have doctors? Well, given that every single one of those women is going to die anyways, and I happen to serve and worship the Goddess of Death…I can’t say that I’m all that bothered by people dying. I mean, it’s not like PP is going to make them immortal (though I would have a problem with that if they did). Nor do I really care that tens of thousands of ova do not implant natural, Or that DS people can produce people without DS, or any of the stuff you have been screaming about for days. That…wasn’t even an issue or part of the discussion.
But hey, if laughing about how people (and thank you for giving me so perfect an example of my point) will forgive Absolute Everything if they feel they benefit from it make me alt-right then…Okay. Congrats. You have managed to convince me with your threats, derailments, and outright denial of proof (which I linked) that…my position is alt-right and that the alt-right is the ones actually willing to stand up for some form of morality. Bravo. Well done. Praise Kek, my sides await me in Valhalla.
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