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While I’m mulling over a post that I’m thinking about writing, I figured I would flip through the catalog on wordpress and see what was what in the various pagan and heathen tags I follow. Years ago, I used to go through them everyday (of course, I’ve been on here since WordPress would actually show your posts in the catalog to you and were those nice little boxes that were about forty to a page, rather than hide them and long stream posts). Yes, when it comes to wordpress I am what 4chan calls an “oldfag.”
As I was flipping through them though, I saw a few familiar names and ultimately felt disappointment and a hint of disdain. Because the ones that caught my eye were meaningless virtue signalling more than anything else.
For example, Mainer74 has a post called “Nazis Free to Kill In Our Streets.” Which was his major response to the Charlottesville rally and the death of Heather Heyer, Communist rioter. It’s the usual thing we’ve seen a lot: Nazis are bad, shut it down, how dare we as a society let it get to the point where Nazis are killing people in our streets! Along with the usual condemnations of white nationalism, white supremacy, and any other thing “alt-right and white.” I believe it was that post of his were I asked if he was going to similarly denounce the violence and supremacy that is Communism. The comment never made it past moderation, from what I can tell.
Imagine my shock.
Look, Heyer’s death isn’t anything to celebrate, but let us be completely honest. The Nazis didn’t start the violence. Let’s be completely honest and admit that the nazis weren’t even the first ones to “kill in our streets.” Bikelock guy nearly killed people at “The Battle of Berkley,” a Bernie Sanders supporter attempted the murder of almost 25 sitting Republican congressmen. And before Heather Heyer was killed due to secondary impacts from the Dodge running through a violent communist riot, Clayton Carter executed a Republican Committeeman in his home town in front of his victim’s wife.
These violent and deadly actions by the “Alt-Left” are just a few, famous examples from a side known for violence, rioting, destruction, and murder. Yet, it is only the “Nazis” that are condemned and spoken against. Despite the fact that their violence predates the Alt-Right’s violence and the only reason they haven’t killed more people is because the majority of them seem to have the will, but be absolutely shit at the way.
Meanwhile the Troth, an organization so into self cuckoldry that they willingly ousted their founder after he defended Steven McNallen (when he complained about police and governments doing nothing as women were mass gang raped), has release a video on “inclusive heathenry.” Where in just the first minute they lie (the alt-right did not invade, they had a permit. The Alt-left invaded because they did not have a permit), and proceed to side with the violent Alt-Left organizations of Anti-Fa and BLM, while supporting the destruction of historical and cultural artifacts simply because a bunch of Communists wanting to engage in a Maoist Cultural Revolution find them “offensive.”
I would like to personally congratulate the Troth, an organization whose existence is nominally supposed to be about the preservation and revitalization of lost cultures, jumping on the bandwagon of cultural destruction. I can only hope I’m there to laugh when the Troth is inevitably destroyed by the side it is supporting for being a “white supremacist organization that supports sexism, racism, homophobia, etc.”
Then of course you have simple statements like the one from Dousing for Divinity’s. Nice, short, to the point, calling out Nazis and bigots. Oh, and antisemitism and islamophobia. Because, apparently, they don’t realize that the vast majority of antisemitism these days is coming from *gasp* Muslims! See, you can’t call out antisemitism because that in and of itself is islamophobic. Of course, there is no condemnation of Communism, the Alt-Left, or BLM in this statement. Nope, just support for “inclusion.” Because apparently racial supremacy, political violence, and mass murder are only bad if done by “white people.”
And we have RiverDevora’s post about Hearthkeeping, which manages to be so dense that it puts me and my rambling 5k word rants to shame. But among its denouncements of the usual suspects, and lack of denouncements for actual violent mobs, can be summarized as one person put it with: “muh qweer hearth.”
Congratulations guys, you are denouncing the side that killed 6 million people in favor of the side that killed 160 million! Your moral righteousness is so bright it is like looking at the Eclipse without NASA approved glasses! So bravely do you stand up to those who identify based on their race and desire the preservation of their people, that you are happily supporting a mass murdering ideology that invented the concept of racism and has murdered nearly thirty times the amount of people that Nazism did all because those people had property!
So eager are you to denounce racism that you’re canonizing a woman who was violently attacking innocent people in their cars. You are supporting the side which has committed exponentially more violence than the Alt-Right. So happy are you to denounce “bigotry and racism” that you’re throwing in with side defined by its bigotry and racial supremacy!
I mean honestly, I don’t know why I expected better from those who threw their wholehearted support behind Declaration 127, one of the most racially bigoted pieces of shit I’ve seen in the Heathen community ever. A Declaration, may I remind everyone, designed to denounce a group whose leaders called out mass rape when virtually no one else in the Pagan or Heathen communities would, and who have made multiple statements in support of ethnic diversity. And now, the very people who spoke out against those denouncing rape culture and ethnic erasure, are standing in solidarity with COMMUNISTS AND RACIAL SUPREMACISTS!
So yes, I am filled with disappointment and disdain. So great is the moral hypocrisy that I am sickened. You’re not condemning the violence. You’re just condemning the violence you don’t like. But you’re fine with the other violence. It’s cool if the Alt-Left murders people, who cares if Commies or Black Racists burn down entire cities, assault people for protesting the violence, and shoot cops in their cars or with sniper rifles. Oh no, that is apparently fine and anyone who complains about that is a fucking Nazi!
In fact, they’re so much Nazi that a group of less than a hundred people going to hear a fucking Indian guy give a speech can be labeled as Nazis and condemned, meanwhile a mob of 30,000 Communists and Black Supremacists can invade a fucking city to protest them and it’s absolutely okay. Thank fucking Gods the cops didn’t stand down for once, or there would have been a hundred dead people.
So frankly, fuck you all. You have no morals. You have no fucking standards at all. You’ll virtue signal your stance against the lesser evil, all so you can support the fucking greater evil! And you want to know what all your moral grandstanding has accomplished? Fucking Nothing.
Want to know how I know? Because sales of Confederate flags have increased since Virginia. The whole “white nationalist” movement, while dealt a blow by the “chad plow,” has since received a massive spark of growth because they watched as the President was called a fucking nazi because he condemned the violence of both sides. All your immoral condemnations of Nazis and public support of communists and cultural revolutionaries has done is made “white nationalism” stronger, more palatable, and more inventive. Your refusal to condemn the violence equally means that you support the violence. Actions and stances like those above which condemn with one hand, and raise up with the other those who have been objectively more violent, only teach people that violence is the acceptable solution. And not only is it an acceptable solution, it is the only solution because the Alt-Left’s violence will be permitted, the cops will stand aside, and their only options is to give like unto like in order to protect themselves.
You want to change it? Start condemning the Left and its violence as much, if not more, than you condemn the Rights. Of course, it won’t fucking happen because “muh Nazis” and “muh evil wytes.” In which case, once again, fuck all y’all.
As for anyone who will be just in their moral codes,
Hela Bless
Son of Hel 
While I can understand, to a point, where you’re coming from, there are vastly different stories being told from people on both sides. There are crimes being committed on both sides, certainly. People aren’t focusing on the violence as much as they are focusing on the ideology.
As someone who is politically independent, I’ve never been a fan of the extreme right or the extreme left, so keep that in mind as you read my response. I dislike both sides of the political establishment, as I frankly find the agendas of both parties rather toxic.
The left is condemning the right because of the ideology that led to the death of an innocent bystander. They are condemning hatred and racism and white supremacy because the left is comprised of a majority of social justice advocates and those who hold minority identities. The problems they fight against are real problems, and they have valid points. They do deal with racial issues, they do deal with issues regarding sexuality and gender, and they are bombarded with social criticism and backlash because of who they are.
Now, at the same time, the right is condemning the left because they view the left as being responsible for the disempowerment and disenfranchisement they face within the world. The right is mostly compromised of white, straight, working class citizens who have little-to-no socioeconomic status and are desperately trying to make ends meet and keep food on the table for themselves and their children. The right is blaming the left for the problems in society that keep them from getting ahead, and they are laying the blame on the doorstep of every group that is different from them – in the Vice video about Charlottesville, they didn’t single out one particular group but everyone whose ideology they disagreed with.
I wrote a reaction piece to Charlottesville here: https://awritingvice.wordpress.com/2017/08/15/my-reflection-on-charlottesville/ that has a lot more reason in it than condemnation. Violence doesn’t solve anything, and people on both sides of the conflict need to start listening to each other rather than condemning each other.
Yes, both sides are capable of violence. All human beings are capable of violence. There’s no point in condemning either side for throwing a “but they’ve done worse to us!” into the mix because it’s not a competition as to which side is more violent. That’s not the way conflicts get resolved – it’s how they get escalated. What matters if figuring out how to communicate the problems across the divide that has increasingly grown since Charlottesville happened.
And accusing one side of being worse than the other or insisting that one side is more justified in their actions than the other – that’s not going to help solve the problem. I’m not sure if the problem can be solved, but throwing hate rhetoric around is the way to escalate the issue. People are people. Can we all just try to remember that we’re all human?
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I agree with you. I was shocked when a Quaker friend of mine said it was alright for the Antifa to destroy things. That violence was the only way to be rid of Nazis.
Personally, I think of what is going on amongst Pagans with “punching Nazis” is Christianity or Monotheism at work in Paganism. Suddenly, we are on a vast spiritual battlefield between good and evil. There is no grey, just good and evil. Good is the side you are on, evil, the other guys.
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On a fundamental level, I do agree with you. As you say: “And accusing one side of being worse than the other or insisting that one side is more justified in their actions than the other – that’s not going to help solve the problem.”
Which was the fundamental point of my post. The above only accuse one side, and only condemn one side. If it is “ideology” as you say, then it is the ideology of “nazis” vs “commies” in which case the historical record does say that the “commie/alt-left” are the worse of the two. I’m fine if you condemn both, because that is being just. It was the injustice of singularly condemning the one over the other I objected to.
Now, you say that the “left” is condemning the “right” because “their toxic ideology led to the death of a bystander.” There’s two thing I want to mention here. 1) Heather Heyer was not a bystander. She was an active participant in a communist mob that was attacking people. 2) Before the Dodge Incident, the alt-left had attempted the murders of at least 30 people, and successfully murdered at least 1 person (closer to 14 if we include BLM, since BLM folks have murdered over a dozen cops). If the “left wants to condemn toxic ideology that leads to deaths” that’s fine. If the Left wants to do that after murdering over a dozen people and attempting to murder twice that number, if falls flat on its fucking face.
Every time the Right has attempted to condemn the left for that violence, the left’s response has been either “meh, deserved it” or “RACIST!” Yes, the right is mostly made up of disenfranchised whites who are upset with every single group that makes up the left, because the left is the one that largely disenfranchised them for the sake of all those groups, nearly all of which have very public members calling for the extermination or replacement of “white heterosexuals.” No, they’re not singling out any particular group in the left because there is no singular group responsible. to a very large extent, all those groups are.
Both sides are dealing with very real racial issues. I will not deny that. At this point, both sides have used violence to enact vengeance of their mistreatment. To an extent, both sides are the same, although the right has enacted much less political violence than the left, and generally enacted their political violence as a defense against the political violence of the left.
To condemn only one side, then, is an act of moral hypocrisy. Which is what everyone I mentioned in the post has done. Through ignorance or malice, they condemn the one side for its violence, while supporting the other side in their violence. And when you’re a moral autistic like I am, that’s not just and its not moral. Either violence is unacceptable in this political discourse, or violence is unacceptable. There is no splitting the difference because you like one side over another. You can’t say killing a violent rioter via secondary impact from running a car through a mob is worse than executing a committeeman in front of his wife. You can’t say that political terrorism is bad and then say that political executions are acceptable, simply because of which political side is doing what. And when the alt-left has killed a dozen and attempted the murders of two dozen more, why should the guy in the car care if he kills anyone? They put murder on the table, but it’s bad when he take a serving and puts it on his plate? The other side was already feasting upon it.
You say you’re politically independent. Good. I’m morally neutral. If political murder is bad, then political murder is bad. It cannot be “political murder is bad unless done by communists.”
As you say, we’re all people, can’t we remember that? But that only works when we hold all people accountable for their actions equally. The instant we engage in injustice and favoritism, setting one group of people over the other, humanity fades away. Because then one group is made either better than human, or less than human. And that is exactly what is happening now.
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THANK YOU!!!!!
Every time I see things like this, I’m just really glad that I got out of the city. With all the riots and crap, we might be dead if we had stayed where we were. Even before things got really bad, me and my brother had rocks thrown at us because we’re white (yes, the little pricks yelled anti-white slurs as they did so, we KNOW that was why). And we never did anything to anyone and stuck to ourselves. It got too scary. But if I admit that, then I’m suddenly a racist who moved because she was afraid of black people. No, I moved because of RACIAL VIOLENCE.
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I would like to know more. Yours is the kind of story that doesn’t get told much.
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We were some of the only whites in the neighborhood. We were living there because we were poor, but I bought my house and was originally planning on staying there. I would have made the neighborhood better if they hadn’t chased us out; I had plans to buy a nearby empty lot and make a community garden.
But living there became hell. They actually harassed my brother a lot more than they did me. He’s overweight, so they would taunt him about that too. When he was waiting for the bus, he was surrounded by about 10 “youths” (as the media would call them if it ever made the news — they were fucking young adults) in a CIRCLE and they were all yelling “Hey fat boy, the hamburgers are that way”, “hey whitey, you need to get your kick game up” (he was wearing WINTER BOOTS in the fucking winter instead of sneakers), and it was very threatening. They were trying to get him to fight them. But he had headphones on and pretended that he couldn’t hear them, to try not to escalate the situation.
That was the last time my brother took the bus. Stuff like that was so common I can’t remember it all. He started to get too afraid to leave the house. And when he told his therapist, the therapist excused his tormentors behavior by saying “well that’s a very tortured community”. The cops didn’t even come when he had rocks thrown at him and was hit in the head several times (he was trying to take a walk, to you know GET HEALTHY, but he had to stop that too). After waiting for over an hour, we left and went to some friend’s house because we were so shaken up. Then the cops called and were like “we’re here now”, and we were like “we had to take off, we didn’t think you were coming.” no report was even made.
2 months after we moved a white man was shot while walking his dog two blocks from where we lived. The “youth” who did it said it was bc the guy “seemed soft”. That was his justification for murder.
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Oh and btw, I’ve lived in poor neighborhoods and ghettos all my life. I’m not some privileged bitch who had never seen what life is like on the other side of the tracks. Hell my earliest memory is a brick being thrown through my bedroom window. But white poverty is invisible unless the media is making fun of gun-toting rednecks (I have guns for a reason, asshole. (not you)). But I was never so scared before I lived in a black ghetto, and I was never scared of black people before I lived in their neighborhood. They made it very clear that my brother and I were not welcome.
I’m sorry for the angry tone of my rant. You kind of opened the floodgates when you asked. Like I said, I’m not really “allowed” to talk about it IRL life or I’m suddenly a racist.
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