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I swear to Hel, I’m am losing my patience with humanity.
So apparently the other day was “National/International Hijab Day.”
And apparently, not only was it “International Hijab Day,” one of my co-workers wore a hijab. Who, as far as I know, is not only not a Muslim, but I would imagine is more of an enlightened egalitarian or feminist woman. But, apparently, she wore a hijab. Because….okay, I don’t know. “Solidarity?” Everyone keeps going on and on about being in “solidarity” with different people who…are not them (that’s fine), typically have nothing to do with them (okay, I suppose that’s fine to), and who may well in fact be completely antithetical to everything the person standing in “solidarity” with them actually is and/or stands for (what the fuck?)
I have no idea why this is. Honestly, I can only presume ignorance of the subject matter. At least, that’s my hope. I can easily forgive, and even understand, someone who acts with sympathy out of ignorance. Of course, all to often that ignorance is treated as “righteousness” as well, because any information that might educate someone out of their ignorance, but casts a “negative” light on the person/group being “sympathized” with is often treated as hatred/bigotry/lies.
I even commented/asked why the hell “international hijab day” was a thing and why people were supporting a symbol of women’s oppression. To which I was rather mockingly dismissed with “what would you (a man) know about ‘women’s oppression.'”
Apparently a damn sight more than most, it would seem, if “international hijab day” is a thing.
For instance I know that there are objective measures of “oppression” beyond mere lack of representation in top fields (or pay gaps). For instance, if you are not allowed to vote based on your gender…you are oppressed. If you are told to dress a certain way because of your race/gender…you are oppressed, especially if those standards are enforced by law with prison/fines/physical punishments for failure to comply.
So, for instance, when a woman in an Islamic country has to wear a hijab, because failure to wear that will get her beaten by her family…I can say it’s an article of oppression. When a woman can be raped for not wearing a hijab, and it’s considered her fault, I can say that it is a article of oppression. When a woman can be raped for failing to wear a hijab, be beaten BY THE STATE for both her own rape and for failing to wear a hijab, and then she can go home to be beat, burned, and butchered for NOT WEARING A HIJAB, THEN I CAN FUCKING SAY THAT IT IS EMPIRICALLY A SYMBOL OF OPPRESSION!
But hey, apparently that doesn’t matter these days. I mean, we can easily look up how women are treated in Muslim countries, and what Islam says about women, and how they are supposed to be treated according to both Islamic Law (Sharia) and Islamic Custom. We can find youtube videos with Muslims teaching what it means to be a woman, how a woman should behave, how a woman should dress, what to do with a woman who fails to do these things (including how to LAWFULLY BEAT HER). But none of that matters.
Hel, we can look at the history of Islam and discover that it was literally founded in a racist, genocidal, misogynistic blood bath that makes the old testament YHVH look….well, not look good, but make him look at least bi-polar rather than an homicidal maniac. And Hey, at least YHVH’s founder was Abraham, an old man who slept with adult women, and generally by their consent (or at least what passed for it in those days). Unlike Allah’s founder, who was a genocidal racist misogynist pedophile, who not only fucked a child, who not only gave permission for the soldiers of his new religion to rape conquered women…but actually demanded they do so!
And whose religion continued on in exactly that same tradition of genocide, mass murder, sex slavery, general slavery, pedophilia, and rape, all the way up to the modern era, where it took several god damn empires (both European AND ASIAN) to fucking beat Muslims into at least doing it behind closed doors!
But apparently none of that matters!
And it’s apparent that none of that matters, because instead of working some feminism to liberate and create equality for women in Muslim countries…we have fucking “international hijab day.”
Here’s the thing, as much as I have my very obvious issues with Islam, I don’t think this would have made me quite as upset as it did, if it weren’t for other things going on out there. Like Berkley, where fucking Communists are marching around, burning shit and beating people (at least one into a coma, from what I hear), with the complete tolerance of the University, its surrounding city, and quite possibly the whole fucking state government of California. And this was not the first incident of Communist violence in the streets. Oh no, that has been going on at an ever increasing rate for moths, but especially since the inauguration.
On top of that, there’s been the whole thing since Richard Spencer got sucker punched, that “It’s good to punch Nazis.”
Now, I’m generally against violence as a form of political discourse in a democracy, but apparently that idea is rapidly going out the window. It’s not helped by matters that “Nazis” typically is anyone to the “political right” of the Communists. And given that the Communists are placed on the absolutely far end of left, that kind of includes….well…everyone who is not a Communist.
Fucking Hel, not even Starbucks “We’re going to hire 10,000 refugees and fuck all the homeless who might need jobs” Coffee got looted, trashed, and burned during the riots. Which I will admit…filled me with some sadistic satisfaction, even as I was horrified at the terrorism enacted by violent, politically motivated, Communists.
I am not a good person and I will admit that.
But really, it’s is not like I don’t expect this kind of behavior from Communists, after all they have killed 120+ MILLION PEOPLE.
But remember, it’s okay to punch Nazis (anyone not a Muslim or a Communist, apparently) because “Nazism is a vile, hateful ideology that killed millions.”
Oh yeah, that’s right. Islam has killed untold millions in its history. Communism has killed over 120+ million people. But it’s okay for communists to march in the street, and we have international days to show our solidarity with Islam, BUT FUCK YOU NAZIS!
Literally, the one of the three with the lowest kill count is the one that it’s okay to punch people over.
Look, I hate the nazis. I think they were a stupid political ideology and they did some very, very bad things. Things that, morally, should never be done. Or at least, that’s what I was taught. Of course, after discovering the joys of International Hijab Day, I find myself wanting to know if I should start wearing a fucking Swastika, because while I disagree with the Nazis on pretty much everything (except the stuff they stole from my ancestral faith)….
I figure if we’re going to start going around showing our solidarity with violent, genocidal, mass murdering ideologies, I would at least like to show solidarity with the one that is actually, comparatively humane and not misogynistic! Because while I and everyone else can say a lot of bad shit about the Nazis, at least they mass murdered in an attempt to preserve their nation and culture (Unlike Communists who just mass murder because they don’t like it people have more stuff than they do, and Islam which mass murders because you’re not a Muslim), and they were not fucking misogynists (like Islam is!)
I mean fucking look at this! Look at where we are. I am literally able (and even having to) make an argument to defend fucking Nazism, because everything that is supposed to have been bad about the Nazis is absolutely surpassed by ideologies that ARE FUCKING MAINSTREAM ACCEPTABLE!
Literally, I am losing any validity in public discourse for arguing against Nazis, or even mere white nationalists like Spencer (is supposed to be). WHY? Well, because apparently nativist, collectivist ideologies are perfectly okay for everyone else (Thank you, BLM), and apparently misogynistic, racist, pedophilic ideologies are okay (thank you Islam), and apparently just flat out mass murdering ideologies with body counts over 120 MILLION are perfectly acceptable (thank you Communists!).
I mean Gods Fucking Damn it, compared to that, Nazis are not only perfectly acceptable, they’re actually god damn desirable, because at least women would have some fucking rights (Hel, they had special privileges under the Nazis) and they won’t rape children, and it’s not going to kill nearly as many people, because at least there is a specific, desirable group (unlike the commies who will kill anyone if they are too smart, learned, or successful).
I MEAN, I AM A GOD DAMN HEATHEN! I HAVE EVERY REASON TO FUCKING HATE THE NAZIS, BECAUSE THEY STOLE SO FUCKING MUCH FROM MY PEOPLE. BECAUSE OF THEM I CANNOT USE MANY OF MY PEOPLE’S SACRED SYMBOLS. I AM FORCED TO EXORCISE TRADITIONAL IDEAS FROM MY FAITH. EVERY GOD DAMN DAY I HAVE TO FACE THE RISK OF LOSING EVERYTHING BECAUSE SOMEONE WILL LABEL ME A RACIST BECAUSE OF MY RELIGION. I AM PRESENTLY HAVING TO LIVE EVERY DAY WONDERING IF SOME FUCKING COMMUNIST OR BLACK NATIONALIST IS GOING TO COME SUCKER PUNCH ME BECAUSE I WEAR A MJOLNIR, ALL THANKS TO THE NAZIS, AND HERE I AM HAVING TO FUCKING DEFEND NAZIS BECAUSE THE FUCKING WORLD HAS DECIDED THAT EVERYTHING THAT MADE NAZIS BAD IS PERFECTLY OKAY FOR EVERY-GOD-DAMNED-ONE-ELSE!
I mean fucking seriously, that’s it. THAT IS IT.
The next time I hear someone say “Hitler did nothing wrong” I’m going to have to fucking agree with them. Because clearly, HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG!
Being an anti-Semite? fuck that, there’s a billion and a half muslims in the world whose religion is perfectly acceptable and we should all stand in solidarity with it, and they make the antisemitism of the Nazis look like a playground tiff. Gassing the Jews? Fuck, I’m counting the days now till Iran drops a fucking nuke on the state of Israel and leave it an irradiated wasteland, only to be given a pass by the human rights council, because so many Islamic nations sit on it. So apparently, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being an anti-Semite. Or homophobic, or trans phobic, and at least we can say for pretty certain that Hitler wasn’t a child raping pedophile. In fact, I think he had pedos killed.
Mass murdering people because you think they’re non-human? Fuck, Commies killed ten times the number as the Nazis. And Muslims killed who knows how many millions, and are on record for the first genocide in the modern era (and some think that’s what actually made Hitler think he could get away with it). And communists are allowed to burn and riot as they please without fear of even being arrested, much less assaulted for their views. Not only did Hitler not do anything wrong, fucking little bitch needed to put on his try hard panties and actually get shit done if he even wants a seat at the table.
Shit, judging by the two groups getting not just a free pass, but SOLIDARITY, the area where Hitler fucked up was actually allowing the German people some civil rights, social mobility on the economic ladder, and allowed German women to have special privileges simply for being women.
So please, tell me what Hitler did that was wrong, that was not, or still is being done, by Communists and Muslims, and then tell me again why it’s okay to punch Nazis. Because at this point, I can’t find it.
Which means I am left with two gods damned options. I can either consider….”solidarity” (gods I want to be sick) with Nazis, because they actually can now qualify as an oppressed people who dindu nuffin. Or…I can just start going along with the political violence idea, because if it’s good to punch Nazis, the smallest kid on the playground of violent, supremacist, mass murdering ideologies, then I can only imagine that it would be good to EXTERMINATUS on Communists and Islam. At which point, I would have to fucking cheer if “Death squads” started rolling out like every anti-Trump person keeps thinking will happen. Hell, I’d have to fucking sign up at that point, because if we’re not going to tolerate Nazis (and why should we?) and we’re going to enact violence upon them for their badness, then I am certainly not going to tolerate Communism and Islam, which are empirically far, far worse than Nazism.
Hela Bless
Man I don’t entirely get the whole International Hijab Day thing either, and I wear a headscarf for religious reasons so you’d think I would. I don’t blame you for being disgusted, I am too. People I know who used to be all about freedom of speech are now DEFENDING Berkley and it’s fucking retarded. But honestly, Trump is talking about potentially cutting off federal funds to Berkley and the general public is outraged. So hold faith, things will get better. Your anger is just and I have no doubt justice will soon be served.
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He should cut off the federal funding. The Berkeley administration told the police to STAND DOWN and LET them destroy PUBLIC PROPERTY. The administration should also be held PERSONALLY FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE for the costs of fixing what was destroyed. Including the costs for the personal injuries suffered thanks to their directed inaction.
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I completely agree. AND every last one of these hooligans should be rounded up and charged, if not jailed.
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Denying someone the right to wear something is the exact same crime to freedom and personal autonomy as forcing someone to wear something.
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No one is trying to deny the right to wear one out of piety. Did you actually read what he wrote? He is railing against the religious social cultural and government oppression that FORCES women to wear it. BIG DIFFERENCE.
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Just stating what the deal is with the hajib day because there are strong voices making moves to criminalize it worldwide. That was the one point I felt rationality had a chance. The rest is pure frustation and irrational
anger, expressed trough talking points that I dont want to bother shiveling trough because there is no room for reasonings, just emotions
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You know, we also made it illegal to beat your wife/children. Because that was oppressive (and violent). We also made slavery illegal (hell, humanity attempted to make that criminal world wide as well) because it was oppressive (and enforced via violence). I’m sure I could come up with other examples as well.
So it’s not like it’s unprecedented to ban/criminalize things which are oppressive.
But “oh no, people are trying to criminalize a behavior that is violent, sexist, totalitarian, and violates what most people consider actual human decency! how dare they, those bigots and their talking points!”
Really, wearing a “hijab” in solidarity is pretty much the same as putting an iron collar around your neck to stand in solidarity with slave owners. Still, by your logic, Maar, I am being a bigot because I believe in denying slaves the right to wear iron collars (or be slaves). Bravo. Bravo.
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Both those examples actually help make my point. Beating your wife or owning a slave both intrudes on someone elses freedom significantly. The core of the western post-enlightment/humanist value system tends to be defined around the concept of freedom, which is why it is the first of the (arrogantly declared) ”Universal Decleration of Human Rights”. If a bunch of (say black) people want to come together and pick some weath wearing nothing but a dirty rag and a metal chain, all they should need is permission from whoever owns the land. That is freedom. Being a slave is a forced upon condition, and I see where you make your comparison, as many people have falsely done so in the past. But here is the whole point, there ARE women out there that freely choose to wear a hijab, or a burka, regardless of wether you want to believe or accept that. It is not something I will ever get, but it is not up to me to get it, because IF we consider those women autonomous individuals, then it is their choice, not ours. And to reconize that simple statement, that freedom also excists for things you are not comfortable with, is why people show solidarity with those who WANT to wear a hijab, and know they could face harrasment or persicution for doing so.
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Gods are not concerned with the proscriptions of man. The fact that they (so-called prophets, whatever) claim that a God has given them “The Word” about these proscriptions is a bunch of bushwah, chutzpah, hubris, or whatever you want to call it. Hijab Solidarity Day is sickening. It was probably at first a protective garment for people who lived in desert environments without any of the belittling meanings surrounding it. The largest portion of this is the fact that women were the property of men. In Orthodox Judaism this is still seen with women wearing wigs upon marriage. The husband is the only man permitted to see her real hair. In different Islamic societies there are also differences in the amount of covering required. It is the fact that it is required that makes it oppressive. However, who knows the real thoughts of the women involved? Some have been so brain-washed for so long that they view this as normal. The few who have the intelligence to think it through have hard decisions to make.
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You are right that those who choose to cover their hair have a tough choice to make. And those who choose to cover (at least in the western world and out of the many covered women I have met and my own experience) overwhelmingly report that they have either decided it makes them feel closer to their chosen god/s, makes them personally feel beautiful, or cover as a symbol of humility and the giving up of the body to feed the spirit. This last is my reasoning as a Buddhist; the only other option is completely shaving off my hair.
But I agree that many women who cover (particularly speaking of women in places like Molenbeek and the no-go zones of Paris) may indeed be brainwashed, and may also be forced into it which should never happen. So while I have chosen to wear a headscarf (not a hijab but a tichel style wrap) I know that especially here in Europe the hijab is often an outward symbol of the unwillingness to integrate into the culture you have immigrated into. It is indeed a symbol of either outright radicalism or being complicit to radicalism and I stand by the laws being passed that ban the hijab (and it IS in fact only the hijab being banned, as African and Jewish women can still wear a wrap and European women can wear fashionable headwraps if they choose).
It is ridiculous to stand “in solidarity” with people who either choose to wear an article of clothing or people who are forced to wear said article as Helson mentioned in his response in the comments. As a covered woman, I don’t need your solidarity to validate my personal choice.
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So we should assume islamic women are incapable of choosing to wear a hijab? Honestly the only way the hijab can be banned, while those other things you mentioned are not, is by (by definition) discriminating against a specific religion. Which is legally impossible
under the relevant constitutions. You might not need anybody’s solidarity, but there are plenty of women who, judging from your own writing, have a long way to go before being recognized as being able to choose for themselves.
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I’m going to jump in and respond here to this (and your above comment).
Just because some women (or anyone for that matter) /choose/ to do a thing, does not mean much when most do not choose that behavior, but rather have it forced upon them.
Yes, some women choose to voluntarily wear a hijab. Back in the day, some people chose to become slaves. Today, some people choose to enter abusive relationships. But just because some people choose/chose to engage in this things…does not mean that they are not abusive/violent/etc.
According to your argument, because some people would choose to sell themselves into slavery (because they need to pay off their debts, because they find it physically/emotionally/sexually satisfyingly) we should not ban slavery…even though in the overwhelming majority of cases…it is horrible, violent, etc. Same with abusive relationships, because some people would choose them, we should not make laws which criminalize abusing your loved ones. So because some women would choose the Hijab (even though its use is mandated by law and enforced by both state and interpersonal violence in Islamic countries, and interpersonal violence outside of Islamic countries), we should never pass laws to prevent a behavior that is known for (and enforced a majority of the time) by violence.
Yes, some women find it emotionally or otherwise satisfying to wear a Hijab. Some women (and men) find it emotionally satisfying to be in a relationship where their partner beats the living hell out of them. So by your logic, we should decriminalize slavery and spousal abuse…because some people would choose those things voluntarily.
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You clearly misunderstand me, as you misunderstand most anyone who has tried to speak to you on this post. So I’m not dignifying you with another attempt to make myself clear.
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It is not logical at any level because most young girls do not wear hijabs. Suddenly, their hair is a sinful thing at some age pre-determined by some man — as well as her face and body. Even though most men also wear head coverings, it is women who are kept in this form of purdah. They put a religious veneer on it as an excuse; but, it isn’t really religion, it is a form of slavery.
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