So recently, Huginn’s Heathen Hof decided that they were going to lead the charge in speaking out against the Asatru Folk Assembly, after the AFA’s chief gothi made a statement in support of ethnic preservation via heterosexual marriages practice in accordance with the traditions of their ancestral people. This, apparently is some form of racist homophobic hatecrime.
HHH has decided that this is an act of unparalleled evil and so put forth Declaration 127 to show how much they hate the AFA for being some sort of “heteronormative traditionalists.” I can only presume that Huginn’s Heathen Hof will likely be issuing Declaration 128 here shortly where in they declare that any performance or operation of a recording of Fiddler on the Roof is now also a racist and homophobic hatecrime.
Still, before we get into it I am going to pull some stuff from the Wild Hunt talking about Declaration 127 and some of the events around it:
TWH – In another signatory effort, the Huginn’s Heathen Hof wrote and published a statement called Declaration 127, in order to collectively “state their complete denunciation of, and disassociation from, the Asatru Folk Assembly.” Since Aug. 31, this statement has garnered the signatures of 43 organizations. The group also created a graphic for use on the websites of those affirming groups. That graphic can be seen to the left.
Public statements, similar to the one by Huginn’s Heathen Hof, have continued to circulate across social media, and have managed to filter out beyond the limits of the greater Heathen community. It was recently reported that True Friends-Camp Courage cancelled AFA’s Labor Day event after being informed of its policies and beliefs. This event was to be AFA’s first such gathering in the midwest. According to the news source, the camp cancelled the event because AFA’s “mission and areas of focus significantly conflict with [our] core values.” AFA has not made an official public statement in response to any of the develpments. However, member Joseph Bloch has published a number of blog posts commenting on the events.
Since that cancellation, there have been suggestions circulating that the Troth and other Heathen organizations or individuals were directly involved in forcing the camp’s hand. In response, Troth officials have publicly stated that they are “not at all responsible” for that action. At this point, it does appear that secular-based anti-Fascist organizations and activists, such as Conflict MN, staged a direct social media campaign to shut down the Minnesota gathering. We will continue to follow the story.
So what we can basically see happening is that HHH decided to scream that the AFA were a bunch of enthno-centric heteronormative traditionalists who were evil because they were saying they believed in preserving their people (a basic human right) and this screaming has gone so far out of the Heathen sphere to the larger world that a non-religious anti-fascist organization staged a campaign to shut down an AFA religious event.
I would like to congratulate Conflict MN on committing a religiously motivated hate crime. They have certainly managed to live up to the fascist part of anti-fascist. And I would also like to congratulate HHH for managing to motivate a religiously based hate crime…against people within their own religion (even if they are, according to HHH and the 40+ organizations who signed their little petition, excommunicated to ever lasting damnation in the fires of Hell. Oh, wait, we don’t have that do we).
So look at that, I hear Heathenism had a problem with race based hate crimes and it’s true. Who would have thought it, really. I mean, to think that Universalist organizations like HHH, which claims that Heathenism is for everyone, are going around supplying ammunition and provocation to non-religious organizations to engage in religiously motivated hate crimes against an ethnic minority religion.
But then, this is an organization who’s declaration makes them guilty of racism against Native Americans, Jews, Muslims, many African and Latino traditions, etc. After all, this is the language they use:
The Asatru Folk Assembly (hereinafter referred to as the AFA) has a long and well-documented history of discrimination on the basis of ethnicity, sexuality, and gender identity. In a recent statement the AFA declared point blank that non-white and LGBT Heathens were not welcome in their tradition. While the undersigned organizations listed here fully recognize the AFA’s right to govern themselves as they see fit, and with full autonomy, we hereby exercise the same right.
We will not promote, associate, or do business with the AFA as an organization so long as they maintain these discriminatory policies.
I mean, by this logic, HHH and the undersigned can no longer do business with Conservative or Orthodox Jews, Muslims, or Native American Tribe in the Americas.
After all, Muslims and Con/Ortho Jews have a very, very long history of being anti-GLBT (heck, that’s where we get a lot of our anti-glbt attitudes from). Most Muslim nations execute their gay people to this day, and a majority of immigrant Muslims feel that this is an acceptable punishment for homosexuality.
Most Native American Tribes and all major versions of Judaism require you to be of the ethnicity of the tribe. Where Jews at least have a way for you to be adopted into the tribe, you still must convert, become a member, and leave your previous ethnicity behind. Most Native American tribes don’t even offer a conversion process these days, and even if you do have blood with their tribe, they have blood purity laws which disqualify you from membership in the tribe if you do not have enough pure blood in you. Same goes for a lot of ATR tribes, or so it would appear.
Now, HHH and its fellow signers are, of course, free to exercise their autonomy of whom they do business with. But if they truly wish to be as “non-racist” as possible then they either need to present further declarations of a similar nature stating which Jewish, Native American, Muslim, etc groups they will no longer be doing any business with or associating with. Of course, this would mean that a primarily white heathen organization was refusing to do business with Peoples of Color, which I am told is racist. Because that’s part of why the AFA is racist. Except that the AFA works with many non-European tribal groups to mutually help each other keep their traditions alive.
It’s really ironic when the “racists” would end up being less racist than the anti-racists.
Because that’s what this is. The AFA is enacting their universal human right to preserve their people and their traditions, and HHH and the rest of the D127 crowd is saying “That’s fine, you can do that, but we’re going to ethnically purge you from our religion, shun you, and attempt to starve you out by never trading with your degenerate people again.”
As they say:
The AFA’s views do not represent our communities. We hereby declare that we do not condone hatred or discrimination carried out in the name of our religion, and will no longer associate with those who do. We will not grant the tacit approval of silence in the name of frið, to those who would use our traditions to justify prejudice on the basis of race, nationality, orientation, or gender identity.
The AFA is free to stand for whatever principles it sees fit.
They are free to stand alone.
So D127 is about declaring they do not condone hatred or discrimination carried out in the name of their religion (Heathenism) by signing up to support and carry out an act of discrimination based on hatred in the name of their religion (Heathenism). Though looking through this language it does appear that they are perfectly fine with those that do condone hatred and discrimination based on sexuality or ethnicity, so long as it’s done in the name of a different religion. Perhaps Declaration 128 against the Jews will not happen then?
To discriminate against someone is to deny them services, goods, or locations where in you have those items or are presently located (or have the ability to prevent others from locating). And like the black man at a lunch counter in 1950’s Mississippi, the AFA is not allowed to sit with the good folks anymore.
On a fundamental level, Declaration 127 is…basically a Heathen version of Jim Crow. “These people are degenerate. They are sub-human. We do not associate with them. They are not allowed to associate with us. We will not trade with them, we will not support them, we will not promote their right to self determine. We find their people, their traditions, their sexualities, all of it, is to be kept separate from us good folk.”
It is, in a simple declaration, everything they claim the AFA stands for…except that the AFA hasn’t ever gone around saying anything like this towards anyone in Heathenism or an any other religion. The worst they’ve ever said is stuff like what spark this off: “We are us, this is what we are. European born heterosexuals who believe in the traditions of our ancestors.” The worst you could get is when McNallen called for the Freikorps…because of years of thousands upon thousands of women being gang raped over in Europe and the Governments of those nations only helping the rapists to rape more.
Which, frankly, is an understandable sentiment. Unless, of course, you’re perfectly fine with rape and find the protestation of rape to be racist. Which, sadly, many a Heathen organization apparently did in the aftermath of that statement of McNallen’s.
Because apparently it’s wrong to discriminate on the basis of “race” even if some of those people are mass rapists. But it’s apparently perfectly okay to discriminate on the basis of race if those people are degenerate Neanderthals who think they have some sort of universal human right to the preservation of their people and traditions.
So the AFA stands alone, discriminated against by a bunch of people with racism in their heart and bigotry in their deeds. I don’t think it’s really going to affect them that much. The man who doesn’t spend time with snakes and scorpions is not bit or stung by them. As for me, I’m not going to be a bigot or a racist.
But I am going to hold HHH and the co-signers of D127 to their own will and law, and find them distinctly unHeathen for some time now due to their bigotry, racism, and sexism, I think. Since they insist those behaviors are unHeathen.
On the Declaration 127: I noticed that a couple of businesses have signed it. This presents a problem, depending on where the business is located and how binding 127 is.
That is – if you are open to the public in the U.S., you at this point cannot refuse service to anyone. Unless your locality has a religious liberty clause, then you can refuse on the grounds of religion.
Now, as I recall, many of the signers of 127 and supporters of 127 are against religious liberty clauses since they single out Christians refusing service to Gay people. So, how does one solve this dilemma?
(a comment I left at the House of Vines)
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AAA and TAC have taken the forefront in declaring who is and is not heathen, they appear to have declared themselves the ASA pope committee. I had quite the argument a few months ago. One of them made the statement that skin heads who worship the Norse Gods are not heathen or Asatru. I said that yes, they are, they just are not the people you or I happen to want to raise a horn with. It deteriorated from there when I pointed out there is no pope in Asatru and they do not get to dictate who and who is not heathen.
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Allen Reeves (@TheRaginPagan) said:
There are some issues with this.
Conflict MN targeted the AFA because of their involvement in brutalities against CMN, and on their clear stance of anti-Fascism, not anti-Heathenry. For them it was not about the AFA’s religion, but their well known association with white supremacist, neo-nazi politics.
Not only that but your whole diatribe about Jews, indigenous Americans, etc is misplaced and poorly thought out, in that those groups don’t toot around about how they’re superior to everyone else. With Judaism, you can actually convert to it. You might have some difficulty being a cultural Jew, because that’s an ethnicity. It’d be like a white man trying to become a sub-Saharan African–skin color and all. Which is the same thing with the indigenous Americans. You can worship their beliefs – what remains of it – but you physically and biologically cannot be an indigenous American. You might be able to marry into the tribe, but that’s about as close as you’re going to get.
Nor did HHH necessarily say that the AFA was “wrong” or some sort, but that they (and the undersigned) disagree ideologically and theologically with the AFA, even flat out saying – as you point out – that the AFA is free to believe and stand for whatever it wants. This is not racism, and for you to try and cry it as such is blatantly ridiculous.
Yes, the AFA is free to keep their Kindreds lilly-white. They’re free to keep their “bloodlines pure” – ironically worshiping a slew of half-breed Gods all the while, as I’m sure you know – and their marriages heterosexual.
But the majority of Heathenry does not agree with them. We do not recognize phenotype superiority, do not ascribe to white supremacism, and uphold that anyone can and is welcome to be a Heathen, and worship the Gods of many Tribes that we worship.
There IS no support for the AFA’s views in anything about Heathenry. It is not a core tenant of belief, nor is it found anywhere in the lore. It is absent from Norse history. It is defied by Norse history, and indeed defied by the nature of our very Gods. Thor is half jotun. The Aesir and Vanir married to jotnar. None of the Gods that we as Heathens worship have “pure” bloodlines.
As with the AFA, you are free to hold your views as you will. But I find your views as ridiculous as theirs.
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Jön Upsal's Gardener said:
“Conflict MN targeted the AFA because of their involvement in brutalities against CMN”
This is a lie. The AFA has no “involvement in brutalities against CMN.” Apparently a single AFA member was involved in an altercation at some protest or other, which the CMN tried to shut down with violence. So you’re taking the actions of a single member (acting in self defense according to most accounts) and applying it to the AFA as an organization. Are all Wiccans child molesters because of Kenny Kline? Of course not, but the same logic would apply.
“those groups don’t toot around about how they’re superior to everyone else”
Nor does the AFA. In fact, it’s right in their Declaration of Purpose that “Asatru is not an excuse to look down on, much less to hate, members of any other race. On the contrary, we recognize the uniqueness and the value of all the different pieces that make up the human mosaic.”
“This is not racism, and for you to try and cry it as such is blatantly ridiculous.”
Of course it is. It is applying one standard for people of one race (Europeans) and a different standard for people of other races (American Indians, Africans, etc.). That’s one of the chief definitions of racism; treating races differently.
“But the majority of Heathenry does not agree with them.”
Membership numbers in international organizations, and success of fundraising efforts between the two camps would say otherwise. The only data points say you’re wrong; anything else is just baseless conjecture.
“We do not recognize phenotype superiority, do not ascribe to white supremacism…”
Nor does the AFA. See above, paragraph 4.
“It is not a core tenant of belief…”
Well it is within folkish Asatru. You may want to try to define it out of existence, but you don’t get that privilege. We’re here, we’re numerous, and we’re much, much more than just the AFA.
“None of the Gods that we as Heathens worship have “pure” bloodlines.”
This is a common canard and displays a fundamental misunderstanding of the lore. On the one hand, it assumes that our ancestors imagined themselves to be on the same level as the gods, and to be held to the same standards, and in so doing, it ignores the evidence of inter-tribal relations during the Migration Era. It also conveniently ignores the fact that the Aesir and the Jotunar were, at best, as far removed as cousins in human society, stemming from a common ancestor, Ymir. The “tribes” of gods are perhaps better thought of as “factions,” since they begin as blood-relations already, through a single common ancestor.
But thanks for playing.
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I do have one question: Did Conflict MN threaten AFA or the campsite? If they did, that is a matter for the authorities since it can be considered a terrorist threat.
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Will Kettle said:
What a load of fucking bullshit.
Will Kettle said:
“It’s really ironic when the “racists” would end up being less racist than the anti-racists.” Racist? For opposing a group founded by a white nationalist? A man who ENABLES neo-nazis and neo-fascists? You dare claim inclusive heathens are “racist” while defending the AFA? Fuck out out of here with that ignorant bullshit. Its not about “preserving the white race” for the AFA you fucking SHEEP.
Lucius Svartwulf Helsen said:
“You dare claim inclusive heathens are “racist” while defending the AFA?”
In a word, Yes.
No one will deny that McNallen is an ethno-nationalist. However, his decades of work (including putting his life on the line) to help people of all ethnicities preserve their ethnic heritage I would argue proves he is not a “white supremacist.” At least not in the way you appear to be using the term. Nothing in everything I’ve read him saying indicates he holds with “white supremacy,” at least not in any reasonable definition of the term.
As far as “Inclusive Heathens” being racist for opposing the AFA and so forth, they absolutely are. The most basic definition of racism is “discriminating against a person or persons based on their race/ethnicity.” Feel free to read other posts I’ve written for a fuller explanation, but Dec127 and those signing it are making a clear, public stance that the AFA is evil for being “ethno-centric” and taking certain stances/actions in relation to that, while at the same time saying not one word or taking one action against other “ethno-centric” groups who have the exact same stances and actions, or even more extreme stances and actions as the AFA. Only the AFA is targeted, and the only reason the AFA is targeted is because of the race/ethnicity of its members.
If an action is immoral, then it is immoral for everyone. If an action is not immoral, then it is not immoral for anyone. But Inclusive Heathens have stated, under and by oath, that “X actions are immoral when done by Y race/ethnicity but not when done by others.” That is a clear double standard based on race, and is fundamentally racist and racism.